John Piper on the prosperity gospel
John Piper аt UCF іn Birmingham οn Nov 2, 2005.
Thе full sermon іѕ available аt http://ucfbirmingham.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html
It Iѕ God Thаt Pursues Uѕ
http://www.archive.org/download/GodPursuesUs/UCF_2007-04-18.mp3
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November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
I like what you …
I like what you said on all your comments
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
you don’t have to …
you don’t have to wait untill your sorrow comes to praise Him He is worthy to be praised
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
when your car gets …
when your car gets in a crash and your litle girl goes flying dead on the pavement?? are you nuts your gosple is worse than the prosperity people,God isnt into killing your kids,to have you say God is enough? God’s not the demolisher satan is,read John 10: 10 God came that we might have life more abundantly,start reading your bible,God’s not agaist us He is for us,He likes us!!please get your tale straight, God is not the terrible guy satan is, read your biblefind out you areachild of God!<3
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
too terrible he is …
too terrible he is in conflict bullshit, maybe he should argue which fictional book should be argued over next. All the gospels suck and were written by goat herders and people who thought the whellbarrow was a technological advancement, grow up slaves and i have read the bible, its the most contradictory, evil book i have ever read and i would be embarrased to call myself a christian if i were you. So keep in conflict fairy tales while i go live my life guilt and delusional free
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
You need to read …
You need to read the bible.
REAL Christians don’t WANT to suffer. They question for concord, mercy, and justice. They are meek, humble, and lovely to God. They live to like, praise, and worship Him.
To be more like Christ is the goal of REAL Christians. And Christ SUFFERED by the hands of those HE came to save. So, WE MUST be set to suffer “for no servant is greater than their master” (john 13:16).
Jesus came for those in sickness, poverty, and suffering. Now this is OUR mission.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
i know his …
i know his context completely, just compare the real gospel with Joel Osteen ministries, and you`ll know what he is talkin about. God bless you
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
ok, im trying to …
ok, im trying to figure out what angle this guy john piper is coming at, 1st the name prosperity gospel came from the world. that’s why there is greed and every other type of evil attached to that mark.
2nd IF loss comes to me by form of destruction, stealing, or killing that goes against scripture. John 10:10 gives us a description of what the devil is here to do, steal, kill, and destory…. that’s not life bearing, and i believe people need to take the gospel for what it is….
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Praise the Lord for …
Praise the Lord for redeeming and calling John Piper. What a treasure he has been for calling me to heights much greater than American materialism; to know Christ and delight in Him.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
The followers of …
The followers of the prosperity gospel are guilty of covetousness, greed, pride and self-sufficiency- the living out of the christian or should I say the Christ- life
The followers of the suffering gospel are guilty of positional truth- not knowing that he suffered that we may be
at concord with God (the spirit)
at concord with our souls
at concord with our bodies
They want to suffer to show
their virtue
their worthiness
and their sacrifice
The truth you are called to be Kings and Priests
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
I just don’t …
I just don’t know why so many people want to make christianity a cult of suffering. If suffering can make you christ- than Christ needn’t have died for any of us. We can just “take up the cross” and me messiahs for the dying world out there and pat ourselves on the back for a job well done. The kind of “suffering” every christian has to face is that of a struggle of the flesh with the spirit, the godly with the ungodly. Not sickness, poverty and pre-mature death period.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
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beautifulswitzerland,
Over and over, both Christ and the apostles called Christians to suffer and die for the faith. When Christ said “take up your cross and follow” that meant one thing to ahead of schedule Christians; Pain and death. If God blesses someone with health and/or wealth, wonderful! But we’re not all promised such.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
oh wow…..i just …
oh wow…..i just recently started going to ucf and I didn’t know John Piper spoke there before….im a huge piper fan…
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
The prosperity …
The prosperity gospel is a joke, clowns in suits.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Ahhh, breath of …
Ahhh, breath of fresh air!
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Amusing that when you …
Amusing that when you wrote this, you were emotional … be rational and you will see the light through your tunnel.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
NO one has the …
NO one has the right to “feel” the gospel. Last I check, the bible is the excellent news, the “prosperity gospel”- that salvation applies to BODY (healing), Soul well-life as much as SPIRIT. Or is it suppose to be a POVERTY & DEATH- Jesus’ sacrifice toothless in the realm of the body and finances. We are not called to be culturally-sensitive but gospel-centric. The gospel OFFENDS even christians.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Do not be lukewarm …
Do not be lukewarm my acquaintances.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Thank God-Through …
Thank God-Through Jesus Christ our Lord! Grace is not a doctrine or a teaching. Grace is a person and thats Jesus Christ. In other words through His grace we’re blessed and we have the power to Labor with the gift of virtue, and the forgiveness of sins. Anyone who is bound by the Law, and not grace has not overcome sin.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Does that makes me …
Does that makes me spoil? Of course not. Because paul said on Romans: 7:13 “Law cannot Save from sin” Read carefully. Where sin abounds, Grace abounded much more. Not because He knew the law doesn’t mean he would stopped Sinning. He acknowledge “O wretched man that I am!” Who will deliver me from this body of death?
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Gods grace is …
Gods grace is contemptible by the way. I trust on God’s contemptible grace in my life. I don’t deserve anything but through Jesus Christ I’m blessed.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
It depends how you …
It depends how you see prosperity if it’s spiritual walk and not worldly then there’s a difference. I’m prosperous on my walk with God because of Jesus, because I know God blesses me everything in Christ freely because of his loving grace he has for me. Anyone got a problem with that? Then your going against Grace. But I mostly agree that we shouldn’t preach about worldly prosperity.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
“Like not the world …
“Like not the world, neither the equipment that are in the world. If any man like the world, the like of the Father is not in him.” 1 john 2:15
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
“But lay up for …
“But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Matthew 6:20-21
“And again I say unto you, It is simpler for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:24
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
It is right that the …
It is right that the most high God of Israel wants His people to prosper,yes…but in no way as what Joel Osteen teaches.The right gospel is NOTHING like what the prosperity “gospel” teaches.Those fake prophets teach nothing but PURE MATERIALISM and WORLDLY equipment of the FLESH and then twist scripture to back it up.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Did Christ ever …
Did Christ ever preach about how His followers could get a Lamborghini? No.He convicted people of their sin and showed them salvation.