John Piper on the prosperity gospel
November 7th, 2009 | by admin |
John Piper at UCF in Birmingham on Nov 2, 2005.
The full sermon is available at http://ucfbirmingham.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html
It Is God That Pursues Us
http://www.archive.org/download/GodPursuesUs/UCF_2007-04-18.mp3
copy of the video in avi format is
http://www.filefactory.com/file/77b95f/
Another Video with the same messege made by
Bryan Siceloff
http://www.virb.com/swoutfitters/videos/26502
www.virb.com/swoutfitters
Duration : 0:3:1
25 Responses to “John Piper on the prosperity gospel”
By blessedwithoutmeasur on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
I like what you …
I like what you said on all your comments
By blessedwithoutmeasur on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
you don’t have to …
you don’t have to wait untill your sorrow comes to praise Him He is worthy to be praised
By blessedwithoutmeasur on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
when your car gets …
when your car gets in a crash and your litle girl goes flying dead on the pavement?? are you nuts your gosple is worse than the prosperity people,God isnt into killing your kids,to have you say God is enough? God’s not the destroyer satan is,read John 10: 10 God came that we might have life more abundantly,start reading your bible,God’s not agaist us He is for us,He loves us!!please get your story straight, God is not the bad guy satan is, read your biblefind out you areachild of God!<3
By stonecoldatheist93 on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
too bad he is …
too bad he is arguing bullshit, maybe he should argue which fictional book should be argued over next. All the gospels suck and were written by goat herders and people who thought the whellbarrow was a technological advancement, grow up slaves and i have read the bible, its the most contradictory, evil book i have ever read and i would be embarrased to call myself a christian if i were you. So keep arguing fairy tales while i go live my life guilt and delusional free
By g12izzly on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
You need to read …
You need to read the bible.
REAL Christians don’t WANT to suffer. They desire for peace, mercy, and justice. They are meek, humble, and pleasing to God. They live to love, praise, and worship Him.
To be more like Christ is the goal of REAL Christians. And Christ SUFFERED by the hands of those HE came to save. So, WE MUST be prepared to suffer “for no servant is greater than their master” (john 13:16).
Jesus came for those in sickness, poverty, and suffering. Now this is OUR mission.
By discipulo123 on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
i understand his …
i understand his context completely, just compare the real gospel with Joel Osteen ministries, and you`ll know what he is talkin about. God bless you
By Jen2Tim1v7 on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
ok, im trying to …
ok, im trying to figure out what angle this guy john piper is coming at, 1st the name prosperity gospel came from the world. that’s why there is greed and every other type of evil attached to that label.
2nd IF loss comes to me by form of destruction, stealing, or killing that goes against scripture. John 10:10 gives us a description of what the devil is here to do, steal, kill, and destory…. that’s not life bearing, and i believe people need to take the gospel for what it is….
By westernstep on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
Praise the Lord for …
Praise the Lord for redeeming and calling John Piper. What a treasure he has been for calling me to heights much greater than American materialism; to know Christ and delight in Him.
By beautifulswitzerland on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
The followers of …
The followers of the prosperity gospel are guilty of covetousness, greed, pride and self-sufficiency- the living out of the christian or should I say the Christ- life
The followers of the suffering gospel are guilty of positional truth- not knowing that he suffered that we may be
at peace with God (the spirit)
at peace with our souls
at peace with our bodies
They want to suffer to show
their righteousness
their worthiness
and their sacrifice
The truth you are called to be Kings and Priests
By beautifulswitzerland on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
I just don’t …
I just don’t understand why so many people would love to make christianity a cult of suffering. If suffering can make you christ- than Christ needn’t have died for any of us. We can just “take up the cross” and me messiahs for the dying world out there and pat ourselves on the back for a job well done. The kind of “suffering” every christian has to face is that of a struggle of the flesh with the spirit, the godly with the ungodly. Not sickness, poverty and pre-mature death period.
By bikerdisciple on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
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beautifulswitzerland,
Over and over, both Christ and the apostles called Christians to suffer and die for the faith. When Christ said “take up your cross and follow” that meant one thing to early Christians; Pain and death. If God blesses someone with health and/or wealth, wonderful! But we’re not all promised such.
By daltonward on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
oh wow…..i just …
oh wow…..i just recently started going to ucf and I didn’t know John Piper spoke there before….im a big piper fan…
By xena1973 on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
The prosperity …
The prosperity gospel is a joke, clowns in suits.
By GIGiulia on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
Ahhh, breath of …
Ahhh, breath of fresh air!
By cesar1431 on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
Funny that when you …
Funny that when you wrote this, you were emotional … be rational and you will see the light through your tunnel.
By beautifulswitzerland on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
NO one has the …
NO one has the right to “feel” the gospel. Last I check, the bible is the good news, the “prosperity gospel”- that salvation applies to BODY (healing), Soul well-being as much as SPIRIT. Or is it suppose to be a POVERTY & DEATH- Jesus’ sacrifice powerless in the realm of the body and finances. We are not called to be culturally-sensitive but gospel-centric. The gospel OFFENDS even christians.
By LittleBoyChildOfGod on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
Do not be lukewarm …
Do not be lukewarm my friends.
By LittleBoyChildOfGod on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
Thank God-Through …
Thank God-Through Jesus Christ our Lord! Grace is not a doctrine or a teaching. Grace is a person and thats Jesus Christ. In other words through His grace we’re blessed and we have the power to Labor with the gift of righteousness, and the forgiveness of sins. Anyone who is bound by the Law, and not grace has not overcome sin.
By LittleBoyChildOfGod on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
Does that makes me …
Does that makes me spoil? Of course not. Because paul said on Romans: 7:13 “Law cannot Save from sin” Read carefully. Where sin abounds, Grace abounded much more. Not because He knew the law doesn’t mean he would stopped Sinning. He acknowledge “O wretched man that I am!” Who will deliver me from this body of death?
By LittleBoyChildOfGod on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
Gods grace is …
Gods grace is undeserving by the way. I trust on God’s undeserving grace in my life. I don’t deserve anything but through Jesus Christ I’m blessed.
By LittleBoyChildOfGod on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
It depends how you …
It depends how you see prosperity if it’s spiritual walk and not worldly then there’s a difference. I’m prosperous on my walk with God because of Jesus, because I know God blesses me everything in Christ freely because of his loving grace he has for me. Anyone got a problem with that? Then your going against Grace. But I mostly agree that we shouldn’t preach about worldly prosperity.
By soranoraito on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
“Love not the world …
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” 1 john 2:15
By soranoraito on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
“But lay up for …
“But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Matthew 6:20-21
“And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:24
By soranoraito on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
It is true that the …
It is true that the most high God of Israel wants His people to prosper,yes…but in no way as what Joel Osteen teaches.The true gospel is NOTHING like what the prosperity “gospel” teaches.Those false prophets teach nothing but PURE MATERIALISM and WORLDLY things of the FLESH and then twist scripture to back it up.
By soranoraito on Nov 7, 2009 | Reply
Did Christ ever …
Did Christ ever preach about how His followers could get a Lamborghini? No.He convicted people of their sin and showed them salvation.